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Now it's like this. Barbara helped me find my voice. I love politics. So that's why I said it was one of the best experiences of my life because I learned to be a grown ass woman. I evolved into a grown ass woman and I made a lot of mistakes, mistakes I made because we're live and you don't have a net. There is no editing.

Josh Gwynn: Speaking of it being completely live, one of the most iconic moments that I think of when I think of the View was the moment between Rosie and Elizabeth, that you were there for it. I would love to know when it started getting real. And when you could see that there was a split screen up, what was your thought process?

Were you like? Uh, is this really happening? Sherri Shepherd: Yeah, it was. Uh, and I'm sure you were horrified, like what the heck is going on, but I'm going to tell you, even before that it was a lot of tension that secured my job, actually. That is what made them hire me because I was supposed to do one day and Kathy Griffin was supposed to do one day. And so I got the day and when we walked in, it was just tension. You could cut the air with a razor knife. It was just uncomfortable.

All our hair and makeup team were black women. So I said to them, I said, I said, does anybody speak in tongues? Sherri Shepherd: I mean, I was like, whatever is going on here is so spiritual. I don't know what is, I mean, so it was all of that before we even got to the table.

Elizabeth and Rosie were on opposite sides of the room. And so when we sat at that table and we, you know, having a good time and then all of a sudden it just was like, boom. Then they did this split screen at the time. I didn't think it was that big of a deal. We went to break. That's what it was. And so she was like, yeah. So we pretended. We pretended like we're getting up. The crowd laughed. Because if you could see the crowd that it was look, it was like kids looking at their parents physically fighting.

It was horrific. Layla Ali was a guest on later. That's how bad it was. I'm glad you were here. I'm so outta here. I don't think Rosie came back after that. It was crazy. But what happened, why I got the job was because Kathy came on the next day and nobody wants to talk about it. And Kathy kept trying to bring it up, bring it up. And nobody wanted to talk about it.

Also, all of these news outlets were calling me. We'll fly you in to discuss it. I ain't in it. She didn't come on the view for it, but it was about a year or two. And because of that very thing, cause she would tell stuff that went on in the hot topics room. That was the thing, whatever we said in the hot topics room was sacred-- you could say racist jokes.

It did not leave. And Kathy would tell. And so that is what got me the job. They loved the fact that I knew how to keep my mouth shut. Josh Gwynn: I know that you've talked a lot about how you respected the people that you were working with because you weren't getting paid as much as you thought you deserved.

And they helped you in terms of negotiating what you were actually worth.. Tracy Clayton: Oh my God, I love these stories. Josh Gwynn: Is that something that happens a lot in this space in terms of people actually helping each other? Sherri Shepherd: The mentoring is one thing, but it's been very close. As far as salary, people are very reticent to talk about what they make. You know, because we, you know, they, they make us scared.

They make us scared. Like if I tell you what I make, then I'm not going to be able to get, you know, they're not going to give it to me or it's going to be taken. And so people don't want to talk about their salary. I am one that is a believer in that because Rosie O'Donnell, I was screaming this to the moon, what they offered me was less than what Elisabeth Hasselbeck was making.

And I love my girl, but what Lizzie was making, she was working with Puma. She had done Survivor. I came with credits to my name and I was getting offered less. And I knew that because Rosie contacted me and she said, if you need any help. And I said, Rosie, I'm not trying to be crazy greedy.

It's not enough to live in New York with what they're offering me. I remember they only wanted to give me 7, to relocate. I got a son with special needs and a nanny and me. This is how much Joy makes. This is how much Elizabeth makes. So you need to now go in and ask for what I make. So she told me to come down. She said, get perks. You know, you got to go see your son every week. So they ended up giving me like 10 first-class tickets to fly back every week and then eight coach.

And then everything she helped me negotiate. So I knew, okay, well this is what Elizabeth is making. They're offering me less than that. This is what Joy is making.

And we kinda maybe on the same pot. So I knew what to ask for. And she said, don't go below it. So I always tell people, I always tell people when you are negotiating, do not take the first amount that is offered.

Even if it's a great amount. And that is true because even if it's a good amount, they got money. And I'm gonna tell you, Jenny McCarthy came in, making what it took me five or six years to make. And she could have got more. And I told Jenny, I said, because we've known each other for a couple of decades.

I said girl. And they told Jenny don't tell anybody, don't say anything. You was the only one that they had talked to. We need to start this show in two weeks and they ain't talk to nobody. You're the only one that has been guest hosting. So you got leverage. So you actually could have made more if you had come to me. And I was scared. Cause it was like they threatened me. That's the way we get our money up. It truly is. And that's how I found out.

Never say yes to the first amount of money. Always say no. And that's also, what's going to make it harder for them to keep people over that. Josh Gwynn: For everyone that comes after you. Sherri Shepherd: For everyone that comes after you,. Josh Gwynn: Speaking of the people that come after you, as someone who has sat at that table, what do you think the importance of daytime talk shows is in our culture right now?

Especially given how divided our national discourses? Sherri Shepherd: You know, I think it's so great because there's so many people who don't get their news except for talk shows. That's how they get it. And you know, you get to hear varied opinions. So it's not just this myopic view of one candidate.

And I think it's really, really good for people. And I think sometimes you can change your mind or heart with your opinions. So I'm all for it. You know, sometimes you can look at the TV and go, I can't stand you. Ooo, you get on my nerves, but there's somebody for everybody at their table. So I think it's so important to our culture right now because a lot of people, they don't look at CNN, they don't read the paper. So something like the Real who is getting to the younger people, and they're talking to them about politics and about how it affects their lives.

Somebody like Wendy Williams, she's talking to a segment of people. So it's so important. You can't take away talk shows. I think this is the reason why the View has lasted so long because Barbara Walters would always let us know.

It is never the host that makes the View. Everybody's expendable. It's the show. Josh Gwynn: What is the difference between working in a job where your job is to give your, take your opinion on something versus something like Mr. Iglesias, where you're in a role and you're someone else. Do you prefer one over the other? And then I get to do talk. And the View was very accommodating when I did precious Barbara, let me off to do precious. She wasn't happy when I did Dancing with the Stars.

Not at all. Cause she, she and I had people fill in for me, Niecy Nash, a vendor called Brown. They would call me, they'd be like, Oh, that lady mean. What is Sherri for me? So everybody was yes. Sherri: And I mean, so I was able to fly out.

You gotta be in the center of where things are going on. So people will remember you. I was an actress. And I'm telling you, I booked a series regular with John Lithgo. As soon as I got back, people did not forget. Iglesias, and doing Dish Nation.

So, if I could be having some sex, it would fill out my life. You can't have everything. Tracy Clayton: Well, they say the Lord would give it to you when you're ready. Sherri Shepherd: And I obviously, he feels like you still got them hope, thoughts. You're not getting nothing.

Tracy Clayton: Ms. Sherri Shepherd, this of course has been a joy. And we're so grateful. And so thank you for what you do real quick tell folks where they can find you on the internet. So use social media-ing, are you sliding in DMS on Instagram? I don't want that air going through that hole please. My, my social media is SherrieShepherd and, we got two funny mamas.

Hopefully we'll be taking that on the road, our two funny mama's podcast. Iglesias is on Netflix streaming. I sound like a Black Pat Benetar. I couldn't believe it. Sherri Shepherd: Hit me with your best spot, take me away. Tracy Clayton: We have now come to that part of the party, where we try to make Tyra banks proud and learn something this, So did we learn something from this?

Josh Gwynn: Well, we started with this question about what talk shows do and what daytime reflected about the culture that they were in. One thing that it brings up for me is that if talk shows are a reflection of the time that they're in, then they can also be a reflection of how we've evolved on certain topics.

You were talking about a lot of the salacious topics from the nineties, and it gives me a little bit of comfort, albeit it not much A little bit that if we were watching a daytime talk show today and they had a segment and the segment was this person's on because they're gay. Everyone would be like, what? Josh : I do think that now, if people were to have a talk show on daytime and somebody were to be brought out about infidelity, for example, what you said was a really big trope in the nineties, it would be more about advice or like some way to grow emotionally, as opposed to like, look at this.

Isn't it crazy? That's very, very true. I learned something too. Tracy Clayton: So I learned that she can be a product of your time but still be responsible in the things that you do. And that's what I learned through talking about Oprah, right? Because, you know, she started off in the trenches with Donahue and Geraldo and all them. And she was the one who made an intentional choice to just be thoughtful and cognizant of what she was putting out into the world. Josh Gwynn: It's not about where you start it's about the choices you make along the way.

Are you going to react? Are you going to learn? Josh Gwynn: I mean, I think a lot about what the future of this medium is and like how trends are going to move. Tracy Clayton: And other entanglementses. Josh Gwynn: You see Ziwe's show baited and they're having a lot more like emotionally intelligent conversations. I think the center of the actual programming, especially with Red Table Talk, it's like, I did this thing wrong and how do I fix it?

I think it's a reflection of the increased access that we have now to like the means of production with social media and not having to go through somebody else. Cause we've already seen a whole lot more podcasts popping up, but we also see a lot of people just like hanging out on IG Live. Josh Gwynn: I think that because everyone can get up and make a podcas, because everyone can get online and start an IG channel you're seeing a democratization of content. I do think that overall, especially in these spaces that have been traditionally gatekeepers, like the network spaces, you're seeing people get tired of the petty.

Tracy Clayton: I think a lot of it is probably because the pettiest motherfucker in the world is president of this place where we live in right now. But, another thing that I've learned is that there will always be mess. There will always be pettiness. People still love Wendy Williams, I'm just saying. How long will they, I don't know. Josh Gwynn: Maybe it's like the Pollyanna in me. Maybe it's like the optimist in me.

Maybe that part of me has not quite died yet, which is shocking. But I really do think that people are getting tired of the petty and of feeling the caustic newness of our culture.

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